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The 1-2-3 of God

Posted on Jan 8th, 2006 by yeshe : imaginal cell yeshe

Listened to Corey de Vos talking to Ken Wilber on Integral Naked, in an interview entitled "Does physics prove God?".

In the last six minutes of the conversation, Ken gives a breathtaking summary of what could be called integral spiritual practice in response to a request for advice from a person who, after being "immersed in the radical presence of God for months", was now suffering from the loss of that experience.

Ken started by noting that the "Dark night of the soul" is not the period before you find God, but after you have seen paradise and had it taken away.

He then went on to explain that Spirit has three faces, the "I’, the"thou" and the "it", and that there were accordingly three different approaches to a relationship to Spirit:

Third person: the great web of life, the Kosmos. Those moments when the utter grandeur of creation reduces you to zero and yet you feel part of everything that is arising. Third person worship can take the form of cosmic contemplation, awareness of the beauty and grandeur of nature.

Second person: the great Other, Spirit, Presence. This is the approach taken by the Western traditions. Second person worship can take the form of surrender, gratitude, letting go; when done authentically it strips the ego most effectively. The practice is to consent to the presence of God in whatever form.

First person: "I". The ever-present witeness: God in the first person. Meditation practice and inquiry "Who am I?" "Who is it that is aware of the suffering?" The practice is recognising that the pure witness that is aware of this moment is Spirit: I AM.

Immersion in the radical presence of God would be the experiential result of a second-person practice. Loss of that presence would also be experienced through a second-person approach. However, if you shift to a first-person approach, God in the first person is aware of the absence of God in the second person... so direct contact with Spirit can be restored by changing one’s approach.

First person practice is to rest in the awareness of what is arising.

Second person practice is to consent to the presence of God in any form.

Third person practice is to appreciate the great perfection of all that is arising in every moment, whether "good" or "bad".

Keep cycling between these three, the chances are you’ll  catch Spirit somewhere along the route.

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about 3 hours later
Shyloh said

WOW what an excellent post. A lot of good stuff here to chew on.

BAD! Kitty : Artist with Soul
3 days later
BAD! Kitty said

Wonder Woman to the rescue…finding spirit 101…great stuff!
I am a first Person…person…I am God…my own infinate, eternal part of God…I am so therefore I AM.
Loved it, Heather

Brian : PhilosophersNotes.com
4 days later
Brian said

Wow. What an amazing description…THIS is the definition of Boddhisatvic Blogging. Love it! :) Tag this with keywords so when we roll out our search others can find this wisdom!!

We actually had the priveledge of doing this with the group at the recent ILP seminar we attended. Amazng amazing amazing.

Much love,

-bri

Allison : Dreamweaver
5 months later
Allison said

THANK YOU so much for this post!  Even months later this is having a tremendous impact.  I work for a progressive christian church and we are currently developing a prayer workshop, using Big Mind Practice, Integral theory, while attempting to put it into christian language for communication with our mostly christian congregation, oh and linking it to a new understanding of the trinity.  It is such fun, but needless to say there are few examples or resources for where we are heading.  This blog was very helpful, and was a top google find when searching for the “1-2-3 of god, integral” so nice work with the key words, and again thank you so much!  This was so helpful!  Ironically the part that i struggle with the most is the second person, the traditional christian approach to god.  This is the hardest practice for me to incorporate in an authentic way, as i examine what this practice looks like to a post-theistic christian.  Great metaphor i think, but i must still be recovering from my baggage of the belief of a literal, physical god sitting in the clouds, waiting for my list of desires.  I love the emphasis on surrender and the ego.  Again, thanks so much!

yeshe : imaginal cell
5 months later
yeshe said

Thank you so much for your comment, Allison! It really means a lot to me that this particular blog entry was of help to someone practicing evolutionary christianity.

I was brought up in the Church of England tradition in the UK and walked away from it in disgust during adolescence, with a sense of the emptiness of how it was practiced at that time. Just empty forms.

Just a few weeks ago, however, I was brought up short by my own realisation that my notion of the Second Person God (thou) was arrested in its development when I walked away from Christianity as a vehicle for developing my own spirituality. So I also am hicking around with this hoary old dude in a sheet on a cloud… And it's part of ME that hasn't grown up. My second person approach to spirit is stunted and needs to be given space to catch up.

Just after having that insight, I listened to an on-line conversation between Ken Wilber, Mark Gafni and Michael Beckwith about how the work of the Integral Spiritual Center in Boulder is focusing on exactly that as its first move: developing the Second Person approach.

I intend to develop all these thoughts myself and weave in some others I have encountered. So please share your thinking here. Would it be good to create a pod for this? My collective intelligence pod is mouldering a bit - because my attention is on something else…

Blessings

Helen 

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